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Really great piece.

Your point on 'why' - that standards are simply not a high priority - I think is spot on (and that they are being disingenuous about trade-offs). Interestingly, for a family whose children learn to read fluently at three, particularly at primary school, swapping 'standards' for 'fun' (e.g. the odd Forest School day) may be a reasonable position, particularly given Y7 starts at the same place for everyone. It is this class of people who were never convinced by the Gove reforms, and are forming the mainstay of Hymanism (along with genuine concerns on the bottom third - although I do fully agree with your concerns about how they are being addressed). I have a couple more thoughts on this, which I may turn into a full piece.

I suppose the only substantive area I'd disagree with is on languages. I personally think it's great to study languages, just as I think it's a shame people don't study Latin any more, because I like knowledge for its own sake. But it's very hard to make a case for them more broadly.

Taking a language A-Level actually has a negative impact on earnings (due to the opportunity cost for anyone smart enough to do a language A-Level) and languages is one of the lowest subject returns at university, only marginally above creative and performing arts (see Figure 5.6, here: https://ifs.org.uk/sites/default/files/2026-07/IFS%20Report%20-%20New%20estimates%20of%20the%20impact%20of%20undergraduate%20degrees%20on%20lifetime%20earnings_changed.pdf – this is for the cohort who took GCSEs in 2002).

Translating and interpreting have always been poorly paid, and as for languages helping you elsewhere, as a Belgian friend of mine once said, ‘Why hire an English graduate in French, when you can hire a Belgian engineering graduate, who can also speak English and French, and is also an engineer?’ And this is the status quo before instant, cheap, good AI translation!

It seems likely that the best way to think of languages is like a subject with music: intellectually stimulating and demanding, do it if you’re genuinely passionate about it, and a shame if no-one at all did it - but equally, hard to see why we want large numbers of people doing it, other than for intellectual interest.

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The vocational point really stood out to me. I think we still too often talk about vocational routes as though they are the easier alternative for young people who struggle academically, rather than different routes requiring their own knowledge, aptitude and effort.

The same applies later with apprenticeships. They can be brilliant routes into work, but they are jobs first and often highly competitive. Treating “vocational” as shorthand for “less academic” risks underselling both the route and the young people taking it.

I also share the concern about generic employability skills. Confidence, communication and teamwork matter, but they become much more meaningful when young people actually have knowledge and experience to draw on.

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